tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post6308617154408098776..comments2023-10-07T07:28:55.729-04:00Comments on Dave Moulton's Bike Blog: Running vs. Cycling: Burning CaloriesDave Moultonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07556183205157714280noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-24345425625121587112008-06-09T04:31:00.000-04:002008-06-09T04:31:00.000-04:00110 calories per mile is merely a generalization. ...110 calories per mile is merely a generalization. Running at 10 mph not only burns more calories per hour but also more calories per mile than jogging at 5 mph. Engineers sometimes cite Energy = Force x Distance but fail to consider the mechanics of running. There is more up-down movement when running fast, and a fast runner stays in the air a larger proportion of the time than someone who is just shuffling along. Watch photos of a track meet to see how high the feet of a sprinter leave the ground. Considering just E=FxD also does not take into account the pumping of arms, gluts, quadriceps, calf, etc. and energy used in sweating, velocity of blood flow etc. of a 5-minute miler. At 12 mph, it is much more of a total-body workout than a 5 mph jog. I think few would argue that a sprinter burns the same amount of energy as a 100 m stroll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-9649426275853573202008-06-07T15:41:00.000-04:002008-06-07T15:41:00.000-04:00I think the thread is interesting. I cannot find ...I think the thread is interesting. I cannot find the data right now, but I'm certain that the speed at which the distance is covered matters in calorie consumption. These measurements have been done through respitory tests which can very accurately measure calories burned. Animals are not pure mechanical machines, so increasing speed involves high overall muscle coordination (groups, strain...i.e. energy) above a certain threshold. Comparing 1mile/hour to 0.5 mile/hour doesn't really matter, but comparing 1mile/hour to 8-9mile/hour the difference shos up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-39894773286581799462008-05-14T12:44:00.000-04:002008-05-14T12:44:00.000-04:00We are talking about the human body y'all! Heart ...We are talking about the human body y'all! Heart rate is the hidden factor and makes all the difference! The heart rate stays elevated longer and takes more time to recover after running compared to walking! Be honest now, scientifically this is what really matters. Boost that metabolism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-74491330036128689272008-05-13T11:00:00.000-04:002008-05-13T11:00:00.000-04:00Hiya,I am a runner and I run anywhere from 6-13 mi...Hiya,<BR/><BR/>I am a runner and I run anywhere from 6-13 mile 3 times a week, but with the fuel costs and the expence of having a car I have decided to cycle. I now have just started this week to cycle mon-fri 15 mile there then 15 mile back. Would this help my running? or would it make me slower at running? I dont think I could take yp the cycling seriously cause I love the feeling that running gives me.<BR/>I hope you can answer my question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-81011323243158103802008-05-12T10:26:00.000-04:002008-05-12T10:26:00.000-04:00I think Dave is right in principle - but there's a...I think Dave is right in principle - but there's another point to consider. If you run (or cycle) at higher intensity, your pulse rate rises higher and your body carries on burning calories AFTER your session has stopped - so expending a set amount of energy over say 20 minutes at high intensity will burn more calories than the same amount of energy at half intensity over 40 minutes, because of this 'afterburn' effectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-55890328455273260812008-05-08T04:48:00.000-04:002008-05-08T04:48:00.000-04:00Your site is a very interesting and informative. I...Your site is a very interesting and informative. If you prefer, <BR/>please link to freedom. <BR/> http://diet-try-again.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-40042963550654130222008-04-19T10:55:00.000-04:002008-04-19T10:55:00.000-04:00Well I am an engineer and I agree with what Dave h...Well I am an engineer and I agree with what Dave has said about the calories burned per mile. Now it can vary somewhat but you have to remember that one person walking will take a lot longer at walking to cover the mile than a person jogging or running. Even though the runner will use more calories per minute he is not doing it for nearly as long. <BR/>The 110 figure is for some average person and I will agree that for some other person the rate may be different but it will be approximately the same no matter what speed the individual uses to cover the distance. When he rides a bike to do it, he must go for a much longer distance as the amount of energy necessary to ride the bike is lower at any speed. Gosh I would have thought that was self-evident. Test it out. Walk a mile and back and see how much you get tired and then do it on a bike and see what the results are. If you are more exhausted riding a bike, then you are amazing!<BR/>Of course if you are lighter or heavier it will take more energy to do the distance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-27546962235063912912008-04-16T14:47:00.000-04:002008-04-16T14:47:00.000-04:00Great blog, Dave.Ok: It is absolutely untrue that ...Great blog, Dave.<BR/><BR/>Ok: It is absolutely untrue that running at any speed for a mile results in the same number of burned calories.<BR/><BR/>Here's an example of why this is bad reasoning: If I run extraordinarly slowly, say at the pace of .5 a mile per hour, then I will cover one measly mile in 2 hours. You can bet your butt that this near jogging-in-place style of running will result in more than 115 burned calories.<BR/><BR/>I have been a very longtime runner. I'll tell an interesting observation that I made in high school: slow running was often more exhausting than my natural, open stride.<BR/><BR/>I'll bet there are more than a dozen factors that make the original postulation untrue. <BR/><BR/>Dave, pull out of retirement and build me a bike! It's been a dream of mine! (Then we won't have to chat about this running silliness.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-17001644812451433442008-02-29T15:34:00.000-05:002008-02-29T15:34:00.000-05:00Ricky,Thank you for your input, but it was establi...Ricky,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your input, but it was established early on in the comments that a heavier person running is going to expend more energy than a lighter person. The figures in the article are for an average 155 lb athlete. Walking was never mentioned.<BR/><BR/>Watts or calories burned are measured in terms of weight, distance, and time. If the weight and distance remain the same, a person running 1 mile at half the speed of another is using half the energy. However, the slower runner is on the 1 mile course twice as long, therefore 2 halves make one. <BR/><BR/>To explain it another way one runner travels 1 mile in 6 minutes, he burns 110 calories. Another travels 1 mile in 12 minutes, and burns 110 calories. The faster runner is burning twice the calories per minute, but is only running for half the time.Dave Moultonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556183205157714280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-9044796666853344332008-02-29T11:06:00.000-05:002008-02-29T11:06:00.000-05:00To add on to my post, I feel I should inform you h...To add on to my post, I feel I should inform you how time does factor into things...Power is equal to (F*D)/t, where F = force, D = distance, and t = time. So when you increase the time that you do something, the POWER, not ENERGY, is affected. And, actually, when you increase the time, the power goes down. So not only is the energy greater for someone running, the time is less, meaning the power required is substantially more. A person walking uses less energy and takes more time making the power substantially less. So, you see it takes a lot more energy and a lot more power to run for a mile than to walk for a mile.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797373873711767437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-75029637123809564052008-02-29T11:00:00.000-05:002008-02-29T11:00:00.000-05:00This is absolutely wrong. Speed will most certain...This is absolutely wrong. Speed will most certainly affect calories burned. Energy is equal to force times distance. Time is NOT a factor when concerning energy. The distance will be the same. But the force exerted by a heavier person and someone running faster would be much greater than someone that was lighter and running slower. Think about it this way...According to your argument a person walking the same distance as someone running that distance burns the same calories...ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!! Learn your physics people...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797373873711767437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-63715827198526405122008-01-15T20:06:00.000-05:002008-01-15T20:06:00.000-05:00I was just wondering how the resistance factors in...I was just wondering how the resistance factors in to speed and calories burned per mile. Like what if you ride 20 mph at a higher resistance level on a stationary bike, then does it follow that you will burn more calories? How can you figure that out? Is there a formula you can use going off of your heart rate to know how many calories you are burning? sorry so many questions. I used to run and now I want to bike on the stationary bike. I go for about 45 minutes and my heart rate for both running and biking gets to the same rate of between 160 and 170. so am I burning the same number of calories?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-4235521453665646142007-12-26T11:33:00.000-05:002007-12-26T11:33:00.000-05:00I've been off the bike this past year (except for ...I've been off the bike this past year (except for minimal cross training) as a result of training for and completing three marathons, and I miss it! I look forward to more cycling over the next year, and less pain. Great forum!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-76417904429028974582007-11-23T17:55:00.000-05:002007-11-23T17:55:00.000-05:00cool blog.cool blog.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14174526313048663814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-90241884694457055302007-10-10T12:01:00.000-04:002007-10-10T12:01:00.000-04:00I'm a distance runner as well as a cyclist, and I ...I'm a distance runner as well as a cyclist, and I find that running is a better conditioning activity for me simply because I can get more of a workout in less time expended.<BR/><BR/>That said, since I began cycling more and running somewhat less, my running event times have continued to drop, and this year I've set PRs at distances of 8K, 10K, 10M, and 13.1M! BTW, I'm 61 and am enjoying my recent accomplishments in both sports.Doug Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16045967815713030126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-57566935854804778592007-09-27T17:56:00.000-04:002007-09-27T17:56:00.000-04:00I decided that this year would be my "year of the ...I decided that this year would be my "year of the bike" and that my goal was to 30 lbs (from 200 to 170). I ride about 40 miles a week and do my best to eliminate sugar and fatty food from my diet. I figure that if I can eliminate about 3500 calories a week--half from biking, half from diet change, I will lose one lb each week. I'm down 20 lbs but have plateaued. I think I am going to add some miles to get going again. I have set up a trainer in the living room, much to wife's delight!mark wordenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05985880624497781651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-52554939107217625292007-09-27T00:17:00.000-04:002007-09-27T00:17:00.000-04:00Suppose it is true that running burns a constant n...Suppose it <EM>is</EM> true that running burns a constant number of calories per mile (for a given person). That doesn't really bear on the question of whether running or biking is a preferable exercise. Most exercisers care about calories burned per minute -- and a faster runner covers more miles per minute.jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714051753946654761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-77995799226828710762007-09-25T18:57:00.000-04:002007-09-25T18:57:00.000-04:00I must say that I'm not in total concurrent either...I must say that I'm not in total concurrent either. I've been into long distance running for several years now, still a newbie, but I have completed 3 full marathons and 3 half marathons. The fact of the matter is, the more you run, the more efficient your body becomes. More to this, there are certain types of training (running) that can increase your body’s efficiency. <BR/><BR/>I notice that at the beginning of a training season, I'm very much affected by the type of food I intake and what I drink prior to running. After 4 months of running 5 days a week, need to ingest far less to feel strong through out the run. <BR/><BR/>Running magazines also speak very much to the notion that the more you run, the less calories you burn, the more efficient your body becomes.<BR/><BR/>Also, there is the whole issue of running style and stride length. To exaggerate for purposes of illustration; if I were to make every leg turn over a jump as high into the air as I could, I most certainly we use more energy than if I were to keep my legs as close to the ground as possible. Every persons stride varies in this way somewhat. May not be a big deal for 10 steps, but over the distance of a mile, it would be significant.<BR/><BR/>Don't mean to harp, and I really do enjoy your posts. I simply think that 110 calories flat rate per mile is false. I think the difference of energy used is very big, based on the runner and the fitness level of the individual runner at the time they are running.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,Jeromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09984978420642327867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-52751144305675242422007-09-25T10:43:00.000-04:002007-09-25T10:43:00.000-04:00Okay I give up.Go to PubMed and seach "Energy Expe...Okay I give up.<BR/><BR/>Go to PubMed and seach "Energy Expenditure of Walking and Running" from MSSE December 2004.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-66131242816629920902007-09-25T10:42:00.000-04:002007-09-25T10:42:00.000-04:00http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15570150&ordinalpos=19&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum<BR/><BR/>The link got cut of it looks likeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-89835495145628724552007-09-25T10:40:00.000-04:002007-09-25T10:40:00.000-04:00I will question the idea that the energy cost of c...I will question the idea that the energy cost of covering 1 mile is the same regardless of speed.<BR/><BR/>And I bring this to the table<BR/><BR/>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15570150&ordinalpos=19&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-66529770307333206052007-09-25T02:54:00.000-04:002007-09-25T02:54:00.000-04:00When I started riding two years ago, I weighed ove...When I started riding two years ago, I weighed over 250# and would burn a thousand calories within 45 minutes at a fairly slow pace, though it didn't feel slow at the time.<BR/><BR/>Today, at 193#, I have to fly down the road for well over an hour to burn that same thousand calories.<BR/><BR/>Diminishing returns suck. But I enjoy flying too much to stop.Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16082570455287868268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-49311952796479327112007-09-24T22:41:00.000-04:002007-09-24T22:41:00.000-04:00Makes sense to me. I started riding to work this s...Makes sense to me. I started riding to work this summer, about 4.5 miles one way, and lost almost thirty pounds. This with a starting weight of 290, on a Diamondback Approach steel framed hybrid.<BR/>My average speed appears to be around 10 - 12 mph.<BR/>Hunter<BR/>Ketchikan, AKHunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665859950228150235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-42347212986154353852007-09-24T18:55:00.000-04:002007-09-24T18:55:00.000-04:00I got into cycling more seriously while recovering...I got into cycling more seriously while recovering from stress injuries from competitive running. I can go all day on a bike, but running hurts too much for me to go much more than a couple of miles!Yokota Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04808661100114872654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-33625565434856285052007-09-24T17:44:00.000-04:002007-09-24T17:44:00.000-04:00A mechanical horsepower is the amount of energy to...A mechanical horsepower is the amount of energy to lift 550 lbs, 1 foot in 1 second. If I take 2 seconds to lift the same 550 lbs it means I lifted it 6 inches in the first second, and 6 inches in the following second. A half horsepower of energy each second making the same one horsepower extended. A watt of energy is the same thing, except it is measured in kilos, meters and seconds, but the same principle applies. <BR/><BR/>I think what Dr. Coyle is saying for the purpose his article that he is not factoring in any wind resistance for a runner. If runner “A” runs a mile in 6 minutes, and runner “B” runs a mile in 12 minutes; “B” ran at half the energy but took twice as long, so they both exerted the same energy.Dave Moultonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556183205157714280noreply@blogger.com