tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post3083009334651609736..comments2023-10-07T07:28:55.729-04:00Comments on Dave Moulton's Bike Blog: Two years of blogging: Realizing my baby is uglyDave Moultonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07556183205157714280noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-53641366629151498872007-11-21T11:36:00.000-05:002007-11-21T11:36:00.000-05:00Hi-I just don't see the controversy in your previo...Hi-<BR/><BR/>I just don't see the controversy in your previous post. <BR/><BR/>I've just turned 30 and I can't believe how badly my other (mostly male) peers dress, look and carry themselves. When I encounter any person who dresses and looks like a slob for reasons that obviously don't includepoverty or mental illness, I lose most of my respect for them. Sorry, I feel the same way about most really overweight people, especially younger people. I know from personal experience that it is incredibly easy to let oneself go, in dress as well as in body, and that it is incredibly hard and takes a great deal of perseverance to get those things back. Sorry, I worked and continue to work very hard to look good and dress well, and although those things might be considered "shallow" by some, that image is part of the currency of social capital that we all live with. When I shave before work and put on decent clothes, get dressed up to go to dinner with my wife, and when I get up every morning in the dark to run or ride or lift weights, I do those things in part to show <B>respect</B> for the gifts I have been given, namely a healthy body, a loving wife, and a job that recognizes my talents and supports my goals. Similarly, when I keep my bikes clean and maintained, I'm showing respect and gratitude for the fact that I am lucky enough to have them.<BR/><BR/>That's what I got out of your post. Being a guy, I also have certainly noticed the preponderance of attractive girl/slob guy pairs and I see the guy's deportment as the most outward expression of that lack of respect, though sadly i think this must be paired with some lack of self-respect on the part of the girl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-64774562893870378822007-11-15T12:21:00.000-05:002007-11-15T12:21:00.000-05:00yesI too blog in a less than anonymous fashionther...yes<BR/>I too blog in a less than anonymous fashion<BR/>there are attacks<BR/>there are negative comments<BR/>hecklers<BR/>and then the occasional person who threatens to no longer read my blog<BR/><BR/>the only compliment I get is that people keep coming back<BR/><BR/>your frames are beautiful<BR/>your blog is good<BR/><BR/>stay the coursegwadzillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11339430458139731808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-22284263705960077832007-11-14T15:56:00.000-05:002007-11-14T15:56:00.000-05:00Dave, please keep writing! I read your blog becaus...Dave, please keep writing! I read your blog because I want to know what someone of your generation and with your experiences thinks about cycling and all the issues it touches.<BR/><BR/>To all those who say to stick to bikes, that's ridiculous. This is your blog, and you define what exactly is "off-topic" here.<BR/><BR/>Also, is cycling really not related to politics? Riding a bike, like almost everything, is inherently a political act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-48715295666108476372007-11-14T14:20:00.000-05:002007-11-14T14:20:00.000-05:00Rigel states: "...and make an effort to understand...Rigel states: "...and make an effort to understand them rather than reacting against them in a knee jerk fashion."<BR/><BR/>Right back at you with your own comment. I believe Dave was trying to do just that with his follow up post - making an effort to understand and not react in a "knee jerk fashion". Hope you are able to follow your own advice.<BR/><BR/>foc42l<BR/><BR/>Gene in TacomaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-1432143429710938752007-11-13T22:42:00.000-05:002007-11-13T22:42:00.000-05:00I still like your blog a lot Dave, and I always ch...I still like your blog a lot Dave, and I always check for new posts, though I am one of the readers who prefers the cycling articles to the off-topic stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-30813196007968850452007-11-13T21:56:00.000-05:002007-11-13T21:56:00.000-05:00Ben - "Perhaps you pepper your language with 4 let...Ben - <BR/>"Perhaps you pepper your language with 4 letter expletives such that you dont deem it an inappropriate response to someone's blog post."<BR/><BR/>correct. i do. go ahead and start your finger-wagging, i'm used to it.<BR/><BR/>which one cheapens the discourse more, my liberal use of the word "fuck" or trying to assert that People Shouldnt Say What They Think Because It Hurts My Feelings?<BR/><BR/>JHP - i said "removing it from my RSS reader", not "leaving." lurn 2 reed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-84577274657756568392007-11-13T20:24:00.000-05:002007-11-13T20:24:00.000-05:00I enjoy you comments on cycling and life in genera...I enjoy you comments on cycling and life in general. I appreciate the historical perspective and a peep at the evolution of cycling over the last few decades and I like the sprinkling of opinion. That's not to say we're of the same mind on everything, but I enjoy a different perspective and it adds to my life experience. Hell, if I just wanted to see things from my view, I could just sit around and ponder my own wisdom all day. I, too, may be considered a cranky old bastard by some, but I've earned it. Keep it up. As to folks who want pure cycle tech, let them get their reading elsewhere.<BR/>JBarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-41745593152991604482007-11-13T19:49:00.000-05:002007-11-13T19:49:00.000-05:00Rigel,Why couldn't you have posted something so we...Rigel,<BR/><BR/>Why couldn't you have posted something so well reasoned in the first place?<BR/><BR/>To my mind telling someone to f off for speaking their mind is just rude. Perhaps you pepper your language with 4 letter expletives such that you dont deem it an inappropriate response to someone's blog post. You might not agree with what Dave said, I don't particularly either, but your manner of choice for expressing your distaste is bang out of order, and then you have cheek to go on to say that the author of said blog is guilty of not responding in a thoughtful way. You evidently poured ohurs of thought and meditiation into your original invective. <BR/><BR/>Ben<BR/>(Exeter, UK)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-17346333729859612682007-11-13T14:30:00.000-05:002007-11-13T14:30:00.000-05:00rigel in san francisco,I thought you were leaving,...rigel in san francisco,<BR/><BR/>I thought you were leaving, don't let the screen door catch you.<BR/><BR/>JHPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-42012762567232133532007-11-13T13:09:00.000-05:002007-11-13T13:09:00.000-05:00i'm the writer of the previous "fuck off" comment ...i'm the writer of the previous "fuck off" comment and, well, i stand by it. you are entitled to be irritated with what i say just as i was irritated with your previous ill-informed posts on subjects other than cycling. i have always enjoyed your posts on cycling history and your informative posts on framebuilding. however, i can certainly do without his Grumpy Old Man Schtick, to the point that i would honestly rather not bother if i have to tolerate the two together.<BR/><BR/>your stated desire to disallow anonymous comments is telling. even if i comment anonymously, out of convenience, i'm fairly certain you can still look at my ip address. perhaps you should address the content of my post, rather than look for the name of a person to blame. i dont know what sort of reading you did after that post, but there are plenty of other blogs out there whose authors would be able to tell you in greater detail why your post is offensive.<BR/><BR/>one blind spot a lot of people seem to have is alternate interpretation of their stated opinions. my intent was to call you out about your use of "masculinist" as an alternative to "feminist", which was itself a reaction to a previous blog post of yours that others may have interpreted as sexist. perhaps that original post was - i dont think so myself, but you could have handled it in a much more thoughtful way than firing off some post about Those Damn Kids And Their Irritating Ways and, adding insult to injury, painting yourself as an anti-feminist reactionary in the process.<BR/><BR/>so that it cannot be said that i have not offered anything constructive, i will conclude with the following suggestions:<BR/><BR/>use tags on your posts, so that others can determine which entries are about cycling history, framebuilding, and simply Grumpy Old Man irritation.<BR/><BR/>or start a second blog, so that you can have an outlet for that particular schtick without lowering the signal-to-noise ratio for people who value your writing for your cycling expertise. your other blog will be linked from your personal profile, so others can find it, and if they find it distasteful, like i do, they can avoid it more easily.<BR/><BR/>realize that cultural standards evolve, perhaps not in the way that you find pleasant, and make an effort to understand them rather than reacting against them in a knee jerk fashion.<BR/><BR/>and yes, grow a thicker skin.<BR/><BR/>---rigel in san franciscoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-1591563091162808342007-11-13T12:41:00.000-05:002007-11-13T12:41:00.000-05:00Dave,You have my support, write whatever you feel ...Dave,<BR/><BR/>You have my support, write whatever you feel like. <BR/><BR/>If others find it interesting or worth reading, they will keep reading, like I do. If they don't, they don't read them. Simple.<BR/><BR/>RonRonald Lauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08737002538593929326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-75927189135131210542007-11-13T11:41:00.000-05:002007-11-13T11:41:00.000-05:00I'm keeping you in my reader. Time spent reading s...I'm keeping you in my reader. Time spent reading something may be an investment on the readers part, but there is no guarantee that the content is going to appeal to you. That's the chance you take as the investor. To expect anything is going to set yourself up for constant disappointment. The only person Dave Moulton should worry about satisfying is Dave Moulton. <BR/><BR/>That said I am here for knowledge and opinions, even if I don't agree with them. And I'm not saying that I don't, but if I were to, at least I know there are people who think different. <BR/><BR/>I really do not believe that Dave thinks the way he looks at the world is absolute truth. <BR/><BR/>I don't know, like others said, keep writing what you want. If someone doesn't like it they don't have to come back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-34675890195295794392007-11-13T01:22:00.000-05:002007-11-13T01:22:00.000-05:00DaveCongrats in advance for year number three and ...Dave<BR/><BR/>Congrats in advance for year number three and keep up the good work. I really enjoy it. Don't even begin to sweat the haters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-48189837713183634802007-11-12T20:38:00.000-05:002007-11-12T20:38:00.000-05:00Oh...and by the way, HAPPY 2ND BIRTHDAY!!Oh...and by the way, HAPPY 2ND BIRTHDAY!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-27419780222335060262007-11-12T18:51:00.000-05:002007-11-12T18:51:00.000-05:00Hi Dave:Here is what I know: Anyone who loves bi...Hi Dave:<BR/><BR/>Here is what I know: Anyone who loves bikes, likes to ride'em, talk about'em, fix'em, take pictures of'em, and write about'em, usually is someone I would like to know. Bike lovers are courteous, they say hello or wave as they ride by. They look out for other riders. Last time I rode 101, I drafted a few riders who were complete strangers. I couldn't keep up with them for long, but while I was behind them, they warned me of a couple of upcoming road hazards, and we had a nice conversation while stopped at a light. <BR/><BR/>There is a reason you are getting lots of hits on your blog--it is a connection for all of us bike lovers to someone who is part of the history of biking over the last half century. <BR/><BR/>In a way, a blog that is open to the public invites all the kooks as well as those who are really interested and thoughtful about what you write. There is nothing wrong with disagreement and debate that is made with thought and respect. <BR/><BR/>Don't pay attention to the kooks, they are not your audience.mark wordenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05985880624497781651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-79845146969609458722007-11-12T18:50:00.000-05:002007-11-12T18:50:00.000-05:00Dave:Don't give up the ship!! I, for one, enjoy y...Dave:<BR/><BR/>Don't give up the ship!! I, for one, enjoy your blogs immensely, even if I don't go along with everything 100%, But I appreciate hearing the thoughts, musings, and opinions of an intelligent person who happens to have been one of the best boutique framebuilders in the past 50 years.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work, and remember that those who "dis" you are only a small vocal portion of a much larger group who can't wait to hear what you'll expound on next. <BR/><BR/>your friend,<BR/><BR/>Bill in PasadenaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-83055780518257228542007-11-12T18:46:00.000-05:002007-11-12T18:46:00.000-05:00Dave,"Believe that sage about 'the fall of civiliz...Dave,<BR/>"Believe that sage about 'the fall of civilization' appropriate for this issue.<BR/>NEVER let one bad apple spoil the bunch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-5546320232292168432007-11-12T17:56:00.000-05:002007-11-12T17:56:00.000-05:00fjDave, Dave, Dave...I'm surprised no one has yet ...fjDave, Dave, Dave...I'm surprised no one has yet told you to "keep a stiff upper lip," so there, it's been said. Just fire up the ole Fuso, go for a ride and then have a spot o' tea when you get back to help you unwind. Blogs is as blogs are, so don't worry what other people think. It's YOUR blog and if people want to tune it out, then as you have said countless times in the past, it's their choice. <BR/><BR/>When you stray away from bike part of Dave Moulton's Bike Blog, you are definitely open to criticism, because it's your opinion against someone else's who will more than likely have experience in that arena also. If you had a blog that stated the proper angle for a head tube or the correct rake for a fork, well then, who am I to argue with you? However, as an old fart in his mid-50's (who rides a fixie, by the way...we can pick that bone later), I can tell you that if I walked down the street in my clothes from the 70's and 80's (ok, let's assume they still fit), I'm not sure I would be "stayin alive." My point being, styles change, just like the number of cogs on the rear wheel of a bike. Wide ties, narrow ties; long hair, short hair, no hair; shirts tucked in, shirts out; baggy jeans, tight jeans...it changes. I'm in agreement with you in terms of todays dress, but it is what it is. Old gals like us old guys dressed up, young gals like their guys dressed down. And who knows, in 10 years, we could go full circle and find ourselves wearing suits at work. It's clearly the Baby Boomers at work...and their offspring. <BR/><BR/>Keep blogging away because you always have something interesting to say, regardless of the topic. As that hit 1963 song proclaimed "It's your blog, you can type if you want to."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-87939647653649398032007-11-12T17:42:00.000-05:002007-11-12T17:42:00.000-05:00Dave, I love your writing. Even if I disagree I ho...Dave, I love your writing. Even if I disagree I hope I don't do so in a horribly nasty way. You lay it all out in the open, and then some people skin you alive -- not nice.<BR/><BR/> The anonymous cowards who claim they unsubscribed from your RSS feed because of a single post they disagree with are the real losers.Yokota Fritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04808661100114872654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-35677615332475947662007-11-12T17:22:00.000-05:002007-11-12T17:22:00.000-05:00Dave, after I found your blog, I went all the way ...Dave, after I found your blog, I went all the way back to the first post, reading as I went. I enjoy this blog, learning about your life and frame building career, and your take on cycling whether I agree or not! :-)<BR/><BR/>One of the problems with the internet is that anonymous comment or not, many people leave their manners at the keyboard. I try to make it a habit of never typing something I wouldn't say to the recipient's face.<BR/><BR/>I think your rude anonymous poster is best categorised by the increasingly well known "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory"<BR/>http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg<BR/><BR/>I'll still check your blog regularly.lemmiwinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12897071451229534159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-28816073401910283272007-11-12T15:35:00.000-05:002007-11-12T15:35:00.000-05:00Don't let the b*st*rds get you down Dave, you are ...Don't let the b*st*rds get you down Dave, you are doing a great job. "The dogs bark but the caravan rolls on." Keep on rolling, we are with you. --KPKPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05556072400937992945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-27332541033048764912007-11-12T13:11:00.000-05:002007-11-12T13:11:00.000-05:00DaveI just had to add my 2 cents. Reading todays p...Dave<BR/><BR/>I just had to add my 2 cents. Reading todays post, I had to think back, "what the heck could people have gotten worked up about?". After re-reading the previous column, and the comments, it made me glad to know that I had read past the whole "feminism terminology" issue and got the point, which is that today's males for the most part dress like slobs. Being a former slob myself, I have been watching "What Not To Wear" with my wife, and have realized that I don't need to dress like I'm working in the garage, unless I'm working in the garage. I agree whole heartedly with your opinions on today's male fashion trends (or lack of fashion). I too wonder when it will turn around.<BR/><BR/>As far as the flamers go, I guess that may be the price of admission to the internet. I think the anonimity and instant result helps these people to stroke some part of their psyche and gives them some satisfaction that they are lacking in their real world. If they had to actually put it on paper, sign their name, and wait to mail it, they might think twice (or at least check their spelling). <BR/><BR/>Please continue with your fine work on this blog, both cycling topics and the less cycling related. I for one enjoy the poetry and storis as well. And if I find something offensive or worth commenting about, I am glad to have the opportunity to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-17224203427874199192007-11-12T12:34:00.000-05:002007-11-12T12:34:00.000-05:00Thanks for waking up the moonbats. I usually have ...Thanks for waking up the moonbats. I usually have to go to Chris Kulczycki's blog to see the kind of ranting your last post created! Keep up the good work, and I'll keep wearing ties.<BR/>-T-BoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-44522635249806865832007-11-12T12:26:00.000-05:002007-11-12T12:26:00.000-05:00It's your blog. Write what you want, and to hell w...It's your blog. Write what you want, and to hell with the whiners! Especially the gutless, anonymous ones.<BR/><BR/>I'm still reading.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13230350513417318151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18899086.post-7397566327308908322007-11-12T11:45:00.000-05:002007-11-12T11:45:00.000-05:00Still love your blog, Dave. You are a gentleman am...Still love your blog, Dave. You are a gentleman among scoundrels - don't let them cramp your style!<BR/><BR/>-Jim<BR/>Bicycle CommuterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com